Categoria: República
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Jowett: REP VI 504d-511e — A Ideia do Bem
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in República VIWhat, he said, is there a knowledge still higher than this — higher than justice and the other virtues ? Yes, I said, there is. And of the virtues too we must behold not the outline merely, as at present — nothing short of the most finished picture should satisfy us. When little things are…
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Jowett: REP VI 502c-504d — Os governantes do Estado ideal
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in República VIAnd so with pain and toil we have reached the end of one subject, but more remains to be discussed ; how and by what studies and pursuits will the saviours of the constitution be created, and at what ages are they to apply themselves to their several studies ? Certainly. I omitted the troublesome…
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Jowett: REP X 595a-608b — Problemas da poesia e da imitação
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in República XOf the many excellences which I perceive in the order of our State, there is none which upon reflection pleases me better than the rule about poetry. To what do you refer ? To the rejection of imitative poetry, which certainly ought not to be received ; as I see far more clearly now that…
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Chambry: La République X 614a-621d — Descida aos Infernos. O Mito de Er
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in República X— Pourtant ces choses-là, dis-je, ne sont rien, pour le nombre et pour la grandeur, en comparaison de celles qui attendent l’un et l’autre de nos personnages une fois qu’ils auront terminé leur vie. Et il faut entendre cela, si l’on veut que chacun d’eux ait reçu complètement ce que l’argument lui devait. — Voudrais-tu…
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Chambry: La République X 608c-614a — Imortalidade da Alma
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in República Xc — Et cependant, dis-je, nous n’avons pas exposé ce que sont les récompenses les plus importantes que rapporte l’excellence, ni les prix qui sont proposés pour elle. Tu parles sans aucun doute d’un ordre de grandeur inimaginable, dit-il, si ces récompenses sont supérieures à celles que nous avons dites ! — Mais, dis-je, qu’est-ce…
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Chambry: La République X 595a-608b — Poesia e Imitação
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in República X595 — Eh bien, dis-je, j’ai sans doute nombre de raisons, quand je pense à la cité, de considérer que nous l’avons fondée le plus correctement du monde, mais j’en ai surtout quand j’envisage la question de la création poé- tique. — Sur quel point en particulier ! dit-il. — Notre refus de tout ce…
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Jowett: REP X 605c-608b — Funestos efeitos da tragédia e da comédia
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in República XBut we have not yet brought forward the heaviest count in our accusation : the power which poetry has of harming even the good (and there are very few who are not harmed), is surely an awful thing ? Yes, certainly, if the effect is what you say. Hear and judge : The best of…
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Jowett: REP X 603b-605c — O poeta imitador
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in República XAnd is this confined to the sight only, or does it extend to the hearing also, relating in fact to what we term poetry ? Probably the same would be true of poetry. Do not rely, I said, on a probability derived from the analogy of painting ; but let us examine further and see…
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Jowett: REP X 602b-603b — Imitação e funções da alma
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in República XThus far, then, we are pretty well agreed that the imitator has no knowledge worth mentioning of what he imitates. Imitation is only a kind of play or sport, and the tragic poets, whether they write in iambic or in heroic verse, are imitators in the highest degree ? Very true. And now tell me,…
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Jowett: REP X 601b-602b — Três espécies de arte
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in República XHere is another point : The imitator or maker of the image knows nothing of true existence ; he knows appearances only. Am I not right ? Yes. Then let us have a clear understanding, and not be satisfied with half an explanation. Proceed. Of the painter we say that he will paint reins, and…
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Jowett: REP X 597e-601b — Imitar sem saber: o pintor e o poeta
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in República XGood, I said ; then you call him who is third in the descent from nature an imitator ? Certainly, he said. And the tragic poet is an imitator, and, therefore, like all other imitators, he is thrice removed from the king and from the truth ? That appears to be so. Then about the…
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Jowett: REP X 614a-621d — Descida aos Infernos: o mito de Er
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in República XAnd yet, I said, all these are as nothing either in number or greatness in comparison with those other recompenses which await both just and unjust after death. And you ought to hear them, and then both just and unjust will have received from us a full payment of the debt which the argument owes…
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Jowett: REP X 608c-614a — A imortalidade da alma
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in República XAnd yet no mention has been made of the greatest prizes and rewards which await virtue. What, are there any greater still ? If there are, they must be of an inconceivable greatness. Why, I said, what was ever great in a short time ? The whole period of threescore years and ten is surely…
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Jowett: REP VI 487a-497a — Filósofos e Estado
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in República VIHere Adeimantus interposed and said : To these statements, Socrates, no one can offer a reply ; but when you talk in this way, a strange feeling passes over the minds of your hearers : They fancy that they are led astray a little at each step in the argument, owing to their own want…
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República X
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in República XExcertos da Introdução de Maria Helena da Rocha Pereira, à sua tradução da “República” O Livro X tem aparecido à maioria dos comentadores como um suplemento ou um apêndice1. A discussão tinha já terminado, com o contraste entre a vida do homem justo e a do injusto, e conclusão sobre a superioridade daquela – respondendo,…
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Chambry: La République IX 588a-592b — Efeitos da justiça e da injustiça
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in República IX— Eh bien soit, dis-je. Puisque nous en sommes arrivés à ce point b du dialogue, reprenons ce qui avait été dit au début, et qui nous a menés jusqu’ici. Il avait été dit, n’est-ce pas , qu’il était avantageux de commettre l’injustice, quand on était un homme parfaitement injuste mais qui avait la réputation…
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Chambry: La République IX 576b-588a — A questão da felicidade
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in República IX— Est-ce qu’alors, dis-je, celui qui paraît être le plus méchant paraîtra aussi être c le plus malheureux ? Et celui qui aura exercé la tyrannie le plus longtemps et avec le plus d’intensité, aura-t-il été véritablement malheureux avec le plus d’intensité et le plus longtemps ? La masse, elle, a là-dessus une masse d’avis.…
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Chambry: La République IX 571a-576b — Psicologia do desejo
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in República IX571 — Celui qui reste dès lors à examiner, dis-je, c’est l’homme tyrannique lui-même : par quelle transformation il provient de l’homme démocratique ; une fois né, quel genre d’homme il est ; et quel genre de vie il mène, malheureuse ou bienheureuse — Oui, en effet, c’est lui qui reste encore, dit-il. — Or…
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Jowett: REP IX 588a-592b — Efeitos da justiça e da injustiça
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in República IXWell, I said, and now having arrived at this stage of the argument, we may revert to the words which brought us hither : Was not someone saying that injustice was a gain to the perfectly unjust who was reputed to be just ? Yes, that was said. Now, then, having determined the power and…
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Jowett: REP IX 576b-588a — A Felicidade
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in República IXAnd will not he who has been shown to be the wickedest, be also the most miserable ? and he who has tyrannized longest and most, most continually and truly miserable ; although this may not be the opinion of men in general ? Yes, he said, inevitably. And must not the tyrannical man be…